For those who may have missed it, here's the poem I posted yesterday on Face Book:
Monday, February 26, 2018
CONVERSATION WITH AN ATHEIST
If someone walks up and announces: “I’m an atheist!” Perhaps the best answer is: “Is that all? Unless you’ve got something more interesting than that to say, go away, I’m busy.”
Declaring that you are an ‘atheist’ just tells me that you are a person who doesn’t believe in something. You might as well say ‘I don’t believe in Lawn Faeries, or space aliens; or I don’t believe in bullfrogs’. Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t necessarily mean that it doesn’t exist.
Being an atheist has everything to do with your ego, and nothing at all to do with God. There are as many definitions of God as there are people who believe in Him. Which one is it you don’t believe in? We could go on discussing the many things that people might say God is, all day. Instead of what you don’t believe in, I’d rather hear about what you do believe in. Do you believe in anything besides yourself?
“Yes, of course!” Answered the atheist. “I believe in logic and science. And there’s absolutely no scientific evidence that there’s a god.”
OK, then do you think that means that there is scientific evidence that there is no God?
“Well, no, because you can’t prove a negative.”
Actually, you can. But, if you want to discuss this with me, first, you’ve going to have to tell me exactly what it is you don’t believe in.
“I don’t believe in a god with a long white beard sitting on a throne up in the heavens somewhere.”
OK, I don’t believe in that either. But, that doesn’t mean there is no intelligence greater than yours or mine.
“No, but I don’t believe there’s a god of any kind.”
There you go again, we could discuss that all day long, and never come to any conclusion, because first, you’ve got to define what you mean by ‘a god’. And I’ve got better things to do. - Go away.
But the atheist persisted:
“A god is a supernatural being who has the power to override the laws of nature.”
You said you believe in logic, but you’ve got a logical disconnect here: Either there is a God, or there’s not a God. You can’t have it both ways! If there is a God, then everything he creates is natural. So, if He creates something new, then it is natural also. So supernatural is a meaningless term. If there is no god, then talking about what he can or can’t do is a waste of time. In either case, it’s nonsense. Go away.
“But, belief in god has resulted in more innocent deaths than anything else on the earth!”
You are a bit confused; but that’s not surprising since you don’t seem to know what it is that you don’t believe in. But, let me clear this up for you: It is organized social institutions claiming to believe in a god or gods that you are talking about, organizations that distort the teachings of enlightened beings to gain power and control of the masses. They have left the spiritual teachings of their founders far behind and they have little or nothing to do with God. So, you are anti-organized religion, not anti-god. In short, you’re not really an atheist, because, as we’ve established, you don’t know who or what God is. In fact, I’m pretty sure He’s not any of the things that you don’t believe in.
“You’re twisting my words! I belong to (he named an organization) an organization that’s doing a lot of good in the world!”
I’m glad you’re doing something, not just being against something you know nothing about. But, name something good that you ‘atheists’ have done.
“Well, …” He seemed to be having a little trouble coming up with something concrete. “We’re teaching people to think for themselves.”
That’s good, but don’t do it by trying to get them to not believe what you don’t believe. That’s just trading belief for disbelief, something positive for something negative. If atheism is so great, name for me one world-renowned atheist who has done some major good for humanity. And don’t tell me it was Marx or Engels, because their followers created social organizations that slaughtered more innocent people than all the religious organizations you seem to condemn put together.
“There are lots of scientists who have contributed to our knowledge of the nature of things who were and are atheists,” He declared.
Well, it’s obvious you don’t know much about Albert Einstein. It’s true he wasn’t a Christian, but he wasn’t an atheist, either, he said:
“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
And, he also said: “The Lord God is clever, but he’s not malicious!”
Do these sound like the words of an atheist?
“OK, but what about Richard Dawkins? He is a biologist.”
I’ll give you that one. Richard Dawkins was trained as a scientist, although I can’t see that he has contributed much to our knowledge of the nature of reality. His ideas about biology are at odds with about half of his contemporary biologists. He is more of a “professional atheist” than a scientist. He is clearly an intelligent man and a good writer. He has written some interesting books. He creates ‘god’ in his own image, and then proceeds to prove what he thinks others believe God is cannot be God. Intelligence and cleverness doesn’t make one right. There are many intelligent people who are wrong.
“I believe most real scientists are atheists.”
That may be your definition of a real scientist, but it’s not mine. Disbelief without proof is not the hallmark of an open mind. Many scientists are agnostics, but, don’t confuse agnosticism with atheism. Agnostics are skeptics, which is what a scientist should be. It’s one thing to say “personally, I have seen no proof that God exists” and quite another thing to say: “I don’t believe there is a God.”
Come to think of it, I’m skeptical about your statement that you are an atheist. You may just be agnostic.
“Don’t tell me what I am. I know what I am, I’m an atheist!” He was getting a little annoyed with me!
OK, you’re against something, but, you can’t tell me what it is you’re against.
“Alright, how’s this: whatever you believe god is, I’m against that!”
Sorry, that won’t work either. I don’t believe god exists, I know God exists.
“You can’t know god exists,” he snorted, “because you can’t prove he exists.”
Yes, I can, and I have. Go to my Transcendental Physics blog and type: ‘Proof of the existence of God’ into the search box. Now there is not only the personal proof that many have experienced directly, there is mathematical, empirical, scientific proof. Read my posts that contain the proof. Then, if you want, come back and maybe we’ll talk.
The battle hard, the Peace to win,
Is not out there - it is within.
Celestial spheres are not perverse,
‘Tis you and not the universe
That must adjust and must align
To enter and become Divine.
The earth, the moon, the sun shall spin
Again, again, again, again ….
Until someday, the wheel you’ll break.
Awake, my soul, my soul AWAKE
Should be the chant within your heart
Until the clouds of gloom depart,
That in the Light, your soul can see
The Gift of God’s Eternity!
ERC February 25, 2018